---
title: "The Four Pillars — Tome at the Center of the Spiral"
description: "Brent Billings and Elle Grover Fricks get the big picture about our holy book."
canonical: https://bema.jpamorgan.com/episodes/501
published: 2026-04-09
---

# The Four Pillars — Tome at the Center of the Spiral

The Text and Spiral Dynamics

- Published: 2026-04-09T08:00:00.000Z
- Episode slug: `501`
- Episode number: 501
- Session: 10
- People: Brent Billings, Elle Grover Fricks

## Description

Brent Billings and Elle Grover Fricks get the big picture about our holy book.

## Show notes

Brent Billings and Elle Grover Fricks get the big picture about our holy book. Spiral Dynamics Illustration The Unseen Realm by Michael S. Heiser Review of The Unseen Realm — Brent Billings, Goodreads

## Sources and machine-readable records

- [BEMA Podcast Explorer episode page](https://bema.jpamorgan.com/episodes/501)
- [Official BEMA source page](https://www.bemadiscipleship.com/501)
- [Episode JSON](https://api.bema.jpamorgan.com/v1/episodes/501)
- [Audio](https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/7d8cc2be-fe66-43fb-ada4-e62e2f8c00e7/c71adaab-5647-406b-9236-92c2f2cda617.mp3)